Catlin, cloth simulation works fine as you can see. It had some problems before, just with the same objects you see in the picture, but not anymore. The irregularities are due to the cover not having regularly spaced polygons, which I cannot get try what I might. (3 programs.) Yes, it's a limitation, but then, Bryce also has limitations. Hair also works pretty fine. Takes time to render, but try rendering a thousand of fine polygon meshes in Bryce... :-) BTW, the thread is a regular thing there in Poser forum. :-) And the funny thing about Poser 5 is that there were people who didn't have much problems from the beginning. That all said, I still think Bryce is better to work in and gives better results. I also use Poser just to create characters. And for *that*, Face Room is invaluable.

-- erlik