that Dragon was free boney,it's the non poseable Ultimate dragon.and there are actually 2 poses .I'll find a link and send it to you ,( do you recognise the cave wall texture?) the Dragon texture came with the dragon and loaded into the 1st window in the Pic editor, it also came with a bump map which gives it the tatterd look and it's loaded in the 2nd window. I put a dot in diffuse and one in the bump channel , perhaps I could decrease the bump a little, Art your right they are looking at something and I did another test render last night, and modified a few things(actually many) I increased the water frequency a bit but I think I like this water better. as far as the succubus wins(Thanks Art for correct speeling lol) they are as the model came but I could drop them down a bit I guess I was concerned about obscureing her face with them, Thanks for all the input everyone, Thats what I love about this forum. Hawkfyr

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