you know as an avid 3d art enthusiast...i hear/read ALOT of people knocking poser which leads me to wonder...have they even TRIED using poser?...first off it's not the tools that make the art...it essentialy is the artist...would the world look down upon say rembrant if he created the EXACT SAME art in another medium say....human excrement?...no....at the VERY LEAST poser is an exellent learning and/or set up tool...people can knock poser all they want...yet oddly enough i see p4 figures turning up on many many commercials these days (weight loss products, etc.) so returning to what i said before it is the artist NOT the tool =) reverend judas