Ya know, One bad apple will ruin the whole bunch. Please Chris, don't remove your stuff from Renderosity. I am very new newbie (still haven't even started my first attempt, still playing) I visit this site everyday, just to see what new and cool things the creative minds have come up with. There is not a day goes by that I don't download something. I only hope that when I finally get around to doing my first render, I'll be able to remember whose stuff I've borrowed so I can credit them. I promise, by the end of May I'll have something up (I hope anyway) But really, don't let this one bastard ruin a great thing for everybody, professional and amature alike. What goes around comes around and this guy is sure to get his just desserts. (ok, ok, hopping off my soapbox now) Thank you all Mike