Nukeboy, Although, so far my results have not been nearly as good as FWT, I did manage to achieve it once with sunlight using B3 and I think that the camera/light angles were critical, some haze required, volumetric world on, and something to break the light essential. B5 is more forgiving in that less haze is required and the quality of the effect is better, but it's still hard to get it to look this good. One of Peter Sharpes tutorials touches on the subject. - TJ