And start-up companies which invest in expensive stuff "because some young buck wants it" don't bleed slowly... it only takes months to hemorrhage when they decide on Maya instead of Poser as a development tool. That young buck is out of the country last I heard, but some 20 employees and contractors are owed thousands of dollars. Each. The ONLY reason that the high-priced companies dropped their prices so precipitously over the last 2 years has been the threat of a lower-priced alternative on the horizon. Once one started dropping, they all had to fall. I remember when a Maya seat was $30,000 and the computer to run it was another $12,000. :ptui: Carolly