Troberg, you'd be very welcome over on the Poser 5 beta forum. It might even tempt Curious to respond (we haven't heard a peep out of them for weeks now). It'll make a nice change to hear someone with something positive to say. I even ended up defending an aspect of the program from the guy who runs the company! Actually, it seems they've been too busy making a (to quote Petunia) "poohware ornamental" application to spare time for us.