Although I don't advocate warez, I also found the discussion to be interesting and generally civil. If people here would like to continue the discussion without fear of censorship, you can do so at newsgroup alt.binaries.3d.poser, where there are no TOS. However, be aware that the regulars of that group are severely anti-warez, you you'll have to endure a bunch of the same metaphors that occurred in the original thread here. This is not to dis' Renderosity, only to suggest that the discussion can go somewhere where anything can be said. It's the only Poser forum I know of with such freedom.