Lyrra, Goes to show you - well, a second job couldn't hurt, but I did wonder how he was able to throw me when I tried to teach him judo. anyway I'm happy that my mistake has taught me to finally how use UV mapper to make texture maps. Perhaps now I can start working on textures. (the above just to show you that I got the idea of uvmapper. A red wing membrane texture with some writing on it.) Thanks, -TJ