Questor, I appreciate the correction regarding freedom of speech in other Poser forums. The reason I adovcated a.b.3d.p is because there are absolutely no inherent rules there, which has its pros and cons. However, like every Poser forum I know of, the "regulars" there view warez requests and boasts as fodder for well-deserved flames. At least one regular there is a copyright lawyer for a very well known content provider. Still, if you want to discuss ethics and interpretations of such, you can do so in places like that without risking locked threads. By the way, in case you're reading this, Questor, a big THANK YOU for all the very cool and high quality free stuff you've provided! Peng, no. No transaction. Neither did he claim to download a cracked version. I'd explain more, but I suspect it might get this thread locked. Suffice to say that the ensuing discussion of "gray areas" of ethics was interesting. Probably best to just let it go away.