DOH !! Thank you tjohn. I have been driven absolutely bonkers by gabbing the gradient bar for clipping and not getting any results. Every Tutorial I have ever tried where I have had to use the clipping bracket never worked (I thought I had a faulty version of B5)none of them have ever mentioned to grab the bracket itself and not the gradient bar. For some reason it never occured to me to grab the bracket. What's that saying "Cant see the forest for the trees" This is why I love this forum so much.