"BTW ever heard of firewall technology???" Yep. OTOH, that firewall had better be a real nice one, and it'll have to keep your machines from dialing out, as well as the external ones from dialing in. There is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat, and eventually it all settles down to a question of how much work, expense, and time you're willing to put into something just to snitch a copy of some bit of software for free. There comes a point where defeating the protections will outweigh the costs of just buying a legit version. In either case, I refuse to argue with any brick walls on the subject, since the facts are already present and verifyable, and if a warez kiddie wants to be misled into thinking it'll be easy, it'll only be that much more fun to see what happens when they discover that it isn't. Like I said, and you can mark it for posterity: If Curious Labs got serious about piracy and partnered with Microsoft in their DRM project, I predict that fully 1/3 or more of Renderosity's membership will be exposed as wareze kiddies, and will find that they can't operate their stolen goods anymore. As I mentioned earlier, the hard core warez kiddies will still get their stuff and use it, but they'll find that they have bigger and bigger hoops to jump through before they get their prize. Once it was a simple matter of finding the right website, or hitting up Napster. Now, you have to endure a zillion porn popups and a huge chunk of the warez is either corrupt, misleadingly labelled, or infected. The vast majority of warezers (that is, all those ordinary folks who leech off of KaZaA and such) will be stopped cold by all of these hazards, as well as by the measures they'll have to take just to get and use the stuff. /P