Dave, There are users who have been asking, yelping, begging for the plug-ins. Many artists use a variety of tools... especially if they are doing professional work or have contracts which must be delivered in a certain format. No matter what CL does, there will be folks who aren't satisfied, but they are trying to get this stuff out to us. The patching and updating of Poser 5 will be a continuous affair. I'm glad that it is stable enough now for them to pick up several of the loose ends. Carolly