"I'm trying to be positive here," Quoll... really? "Personally, I will believe it when I see it ship, and even then I'm still not enticed by the new features, and I would be REALLY skeptical that the program would run well at all." If that is you at your positive best, I feel sorry for you. If dynamic cloth, atmospheric effects, and wonderful texture tricks such as displacement mapping don't attract you, then surely the library management system ought to be worth a nod. As for a lack of experience with OSX, you ought to remember that Poser was originally a Mac product. I don't think Poser 1 ever came out for the PC. These guys were Mac programmers first. The Unix kernel would be different, but the Mac way of doing things would be familiar. A lot of people have been posting regularly, complaining that there has been no word about the Mac version. Now there is some word. I posted this clipping for those people who have been waiting to hear something. I'm sure that there are readers for whom this IS positive news. Really. Carolly