'and you KNOW you can't get any better than kozaburo hair.' Not yet B^) Thanks for the link, I shall follow it. Mel: I wish someone would do a P5 render with the hair really short and green and thick, and the heasd in that orange-clay type material, just for fun, and post it. If the images show the hair in enough detail (since I myself prefer painting the hair in, I've bought very little and not usually been impressed, thus my preference for painting it.)