If that is you at your positive best, I feel sorry for you. Don't ever feel sorry for me, but thanks anyway. ; ) >If dynamic cloth, atmospheric effects, and wonderful texture tricks >such as displacement mapping don't attract you, then surely the library Those features are exciting to me, but I already have them in Maya and Lightwave where they are more advanced, and currently available on OSX I might add. What I really loved about Poser was the abillity to quickly set up a character and then blow it out into another program to work with. Poser 5 offers me nothing in the way of workflow improvements, and CL will probably charge more for the "pro pack" when and if that ever arrives. And it;'s been said before but new "features" in the same crummy interface with the same crummy lighting system, the same wonky character set up process, no open GL previews, etc. is not "exciting" to me. So for me personally, Poser 5 looks like waiting a long time to spend a lot of money for something I really dont ever need, and then probably having it run poorly to boot. >As for a lack of experience with OSX, you ought to remember that >Poser was originally a Mac product. I don't think Poser 1 ever came out >for the PC. These guys were Mac programmers first. The Unix kernel > would be different, but the Mac way of doing things would be familiar. There isn't really a "Mac way" of doing things. Programming for OSX is very different than programming for OS9. Even if a programmer used the same language there are still a whole lot of new things to learn about how the system works. No one is at fault for not having experience with OSX because it is very new, but that learning curve should be kept in mind when considering product purchases. I also just dont take any company seriously who doesn't commit to a launch date and stick to it. "We are banging away at it..." is not indicitive of a company who is serious about getting a product to market. And they certainly can't exite me about thier product with behaviour like that. If they are stuggling to get the product out at all they cant be innovating, optimizing code, improving workflow or anything else so important to me in a graphics application. Project management? Resource allocation? This should be really basic stuff to a software company but CL exibits none of this. I'm not mad at them. I just dont take them seriously. ; )