I think I understand what you're getting at madriver. When I saw the DAZ Studio images. The first thing that popped into my head was "They stole their entire program from Poser. How completely devious!" I still think it's a bit seedy and underhanded. Especially the way they went about doing it to a company that they worked side by side with for so many years. But that's business. There's no room for morality. And I never trusted them anyway. *But aside from the personal feelings stuff. It's going to be good for the community as a whole. More competition/options is always good for us consumers. ScottA