Hey, baboons are monkeys! However, once I have a working any kind of monkey down, more monkeys are a piece of cake from the original patch. I could become the monkey king! Hmm, dubious honour. L I do have a personal reason for wanting to do a baboon in particular, though... I'm a huge fan of Tad Williams and his Otherland novels especially. The supporting charater, an African Bushman named !Xabbu, appears in a baboon sim through the first half of the party's virtual journey. Making a Poser baboon would be, for all intents and purposes, actually making a baboon sim, and thus making !Xabbu come to life and, if done well, look EXACTLY like he is described in the book -- right down to the virtualness. In other words, it would be like being able tomake the Millenium Falcon -- not a model of it, but the actual thing. IN this case, a virtual simulation is hat the character effectively is for half the book. And I reckoned it would sell too, because it's an aminal and ever'body likes aminals. B^) 'at least they finally pumped up the dragons with some respectable stats' Hey, they already did that in 1st Ed! Best of Dragon III, or maybe it was V, had an entire section on why even young average dragons will smear your party of 12 8th characters to a fine paste -- without actually modifiying any stats at all. It provided them with alternate attacks, the ability to control how much breath weapon they used (rather then three breath weapons a day for their hit points in damage, they had up to three times their hit points in damage they could dole out daily and divvy it up as they pleased. They got stomp attacks, wing buffets, tail lashes, I think tail constriction, rear claw attacks, horn gouges when appropriate, etc. Always seemed funny that the official books have drawings of dragons with horns, but no attack for those horns. But you want really impressive dragon stats for pretty much 1st edition D&D? Ever read through the Hackmaster books? Yeaaahhhh. Now those are dragons. But you