A pre-pre-pre alpha shot gets you so discouraged? be glad it had a gui! That puppy is years away from launch. Don't get discouraged yet. As for the CL/DAZ thing ... not all is as simple as it looks from the outside. From what I know, DAZ is merely protecting their investment. IMO, CL could benefit from the competition. They've held this niche to themselves for a long time. Think of it as evolution in action. Lyrra