wow, oh, jeez, great scott. well i have a long list of thing i want included in the daz studio, but im not going to tell you, damit read my mind. how about a modeler/poser/animater. take say a base mesh shirt that fits over mike, now have tool were we can add to it, morph it, put clothing wrinkles change the collar and on and on, and make it already boned so we don't have to pull our hair out grouping it., another think, how about doing a clothafy type room, like p5 has, but make it work. no wind force needed, just when the dude (or dudatte) walks his shirt flows around him on its own. the clothing room takes for ever and things go wrong, so dan i hope you make a sound working program, cause i will by it, but i want it to work, i don't even use the Face room in p5, and the hair room is getting on my nerves too(but i haven't given up on it yet) and i would like to be able to render a animation to a movie file, with the background transparent, like a png file. plus if you put collision detection(like p5) and gravity, please make sure it works, cause i got a hard on when i heard p5 was going to have it, and when i finnly got p5 the damn thing doesn't work right, so i walk a way with that weird feeling like i didn't get lucky, just taken.(and yes i am a loyal poser user, i love it but hey we talk about our own kids) hoping the daz studio is a hit. ( and whats wronge with two forums) bryan Corearts.com