Cenozoite, the Dacia thumbnail pic was rendered in Bryce. The secret is out LOL Good suggestions, everyone... I think cenozoite, you could try a more detailed texture, Dacia is really just painted in Photoshop - Let me think if I can give you some recommendations....... hmmmm. From the free side, SnowSultan's Odyssey comes to mind (should be in Freestuff), and Eowyn's textures (on her site: http://koti.mbnet.fi/eowyn) etc.