It's true about the size of Tiff files, they are big. I like to render in layers. eg. background, middle, front. you just need to pay attention to where your shadows are. With this way you can render the other layers with a black background enabled, to save on size and you have more control on individual objects in your paint program. Save your Pz3 and delet or turn invisable what you don't need for that layer. Tashar 59