nono see, this might solve the problem of that particular guy but, say for example I was thinking of selling pirated version of zygot's models.....I now know that for this guy at least, they just want him to stop selling so I could probably be reasonably safe in the knowledge that if I'm caught they will just tell me to stop. I think the possibility of punishment has to be there, it's one of the incentives (besides basic honesty) for us all not to pirate and sell other peoples work. And we all know there are people lacking in basic honesty. I don't know too much about legalities and where revenge starts and "protecting your rights" ends, but I do know that when I was at school the teacher that would give no punishment for not doing the homework rarely had homework done. SewerRat