"You make it sound like they are doing everyone a favor by having this site. Granted it is nice to have this site to come to, but in the end we do pay for it- by market place purchases, by magazine sales, etc etc. " LOL Yes I do think they are doing everyone a favor. Me: I sell no products, I have no free stuff, I help in the forums if I can and have a gallery well over 50mb at no cost to me. I landed a job working on a game because of this site. Some people make money from this site selling stuff. Granted Renderosity gets a cut but how much would they make without Renderosity? Do I think they are doing me a favor YES. I made money because of this site and i didn't cost me a cent and I gave up no freedoms. The people that sell here have a contract. If they don't like the terms don't sign on. The store looks pretty full to me. A favor you ask? I would have to say YES. I just can't see it any other way. A business site you ask. They sell a product and make money sounds like one to me. Did you search all the forums to come up with the xfrog forum gem? I don't think your going to find anything I'll be ashamed of. But your welcome to look. Business/favor to the masses... yes both not too hard to swallow That's all from me on this thread. See you in the next.