i have to laugh at Lon because he came back! LOL after 3 posts of "i am done" and criticizing people who have left the site saying they are done and come back again, he pulls the same thing in his posts in these threads. shrug LOL! You got a job from this site- - i lost a few because of this site- Post 107 I have gotten many more by removing my gallery and having my own web site and marketing plan.shrug if it weren't for the masses ;P there would be no business- a full cirlce i would say- one hand washes the other. Questor makes some good points about how things have gotten better from feedback (which you insist upon calling whining) Yet you keep going on in your blind way- insisting everyone sit down suck it up and just get on with it. No. If there is something which the members feel should be addressed, they should bring it up. Then Admin will act or not upon it. It's that simple. I don't have to search all the forums all i have to do is just look at two pages of this forum to see your posts. It just happens i use xfrog and happen to lurk that forum, read that post and thought to myself " oh yah this is the guy that tells everyone else to calm down let things be yada yada" it was good for a laugh. I still don't get why you came to this post- we were having a nice meandering discussion about different things, no one was hostile. differences of opinions and strongly felt opinions yes. but nothing one would consider hostile or detrimental to anyone including this site. Then after everything died down- you come in and get things going again. If you are so worried about this place's reputation as you claim- you do it more harm by refueling what was already dying out. You gave it new life.