Anton, I've been playing some more with morph putty. The head seems to work fine. The breasts, well I've been having more success there. It seems to be the jcm's that are causing the problem. I'm very pleased that I can add the extra IK (abdomen, chest, neck with head as the goal, just need to alter the minimum-maximum limitations on the xyz trans) I'll experiment some more with putty, it's a brilliant tool for animators and worth the effort, but it has a flaw in that existing fbm's will screw things up unless they're set to zero. incidentally, she's easily the best Vicky version so far, I'm pleased I've bought her...