I'm very sorry to hear these news. I'm kind of new to the community and was really impressed with the idea of Poser 5 and all the tools it included for character creation. I have been very enthusiastic about Poser 5 and have been posting and beta testing a lot in the Poser Beta forum. To me Larry, Kupa & Brian have been the voices of hope keeping my faith in Poser 5, when those voices started to fell into silence I started to feel abandoned and desperate since I'm one of the people having lots of troubles getting Poser 5 not to crash. The news that Steve and Larry are not the force driving Poser 5 are really troublesome, I only hope somehow story can repeat itself and we can get a new home for Poser that has them onboard. Good luck. SimonWM