I suppose I shouldn't sit down at a keyboard near midnight after my 3rd 12 hour work day in a row and even think I could type something that would actually project what I mean or wouldn't cause an hard feelings among the genpop. Ah well, defecation occureth. Spit said - "The only ones who think badly of Corel and Bryce 5 are the ones not using Bryce 5. The rest of us are happily rendering." Wrong - I have Bryce 5, it runs great on my XP box. Love it. I don't like the way Corel is handling the product. I probably fire the program up more than they do. IB said - "I'll sleep just bloody fine, Pariah. But thank you for the concern, eh? ;]" Funny, I wasn't even thinking about ya, IB. :) Like I said, I wasn't in the best frame of mind to get my point across. I said - "I hope all of the naysayers and badmouthers can finally get a goodnight's sleep. Looks like they won." I guess I could have said, "I hope all of the doomsayers and badmouthers can get a goodnight's sleep." I couldn't even begin to count the number of posts here and elsewhere in which user touted P5 as "the beginning of the end" for CL. It was everywhere. "This is it." "It's all over." "CL is going down." Hell, I may have even said it myself. But honestly, can anyone say the the constant stream on bad publicity DIDN'T hurt at all? I saw more negative posts on CL and P5 here than anywhere else. Posts that resulted in bannings, hard feelings between former friends, and even reached the point where the CEO of CL publicly handed a few people their on asses on a paper-plate. If you were a newbie to the community and you witnessed this stream of vile communications, wouldn't you say, "F*$K IT!" and reserve your money? How many of the constant bad-mouthers actually owned a copy of the program? How many were just toadies hopping on yet another bandwagon? Now, because I am on a roll, a few comparisons... Bryce stays alive and will continue to do so from the support of its users. There hasn't been a major update from Corel since, um, don't remember...but do you see a community at war? No, you see a community supporting itself and it's members. They work together. As a vendor, I can assure you, Bryce stuff doesn't sell. Why? Well, because Bryce users would rather share freely with each other negating the need to visit a marketplace anywhere. While there are some very good high-end materials and such available in various marketplaces, one can find ones just as good in the free section all of the time. I served on the Beta testing team for Mojoworld2. I can tell you this, if American businesses ran their operations as smoothly and effectively as Pandromeda runs their Beta testing programs, the economy would be in a much better state. Doc and company listen to their testers. If you issue a bug report, it is treated just as equally as the other bug reports. Never once saw a "must be your local machine" response. Pandromeda listens to their testers, but more importantly, they listen to their customers, BEFORE, not afterwards. I guess I've ranted long enough now. I have more to say, but Im running out of words. :)