yes, c1rcle, i agree about new software without bugs. but poser wasn't a new software. with number 4 or 5 behind it's name it's should be considered as mature software without stability issues. but i was able to use it only after beta5 or 6, i forgot. almost 4 months later. and it's still behind the promises made at a realease date. and, you know, i perfectly understand when someone like hauksdottir, who has personal ties to employees is sad about it, but to me it's just another company that delivered a bad product and goes down the drain. if i don't satisfy my customers with my ideas and designs, the same is gonna happen to me also. such is life.