I think we've cleared up the original matter. Lets let this one die a natural death, all right guys? Bulldawg The freestuff is free to USE in personal renders. Aside from that, everything should have a readme listing any other rights the user might have (modify, distribute, commercial render, etc.). If an item is NOT specifically indicated as being modifiable and distributable... than if you change it and post it again you are breaking the artists copyright. Read the fine print please. Lyrra