Anton, I never said the "whiners" were SOLELY responsible for CL's problems. I don't give them that much credit or grant them that much power. All I said was that they didn't help. Everybody here knew to begin with that CL was a small company, with limited resources. Then P5 came out and had problems. So what? Instead of getting behind an effort to make it better, there was a steady stream of CL bashing that defied all logic. Regardless of whether we liked the P5 program as shipped or not, CL's health was necessary for anything getting fixed. So while the first week or two of grumbling and complaining was certainly understandable, the rampant bashing that went on after that was excessive and illogical. Why kill the goose because the golden eggs don't shine? So now we MIGHT be saddled with a Poser program that's no longer supported at all (I realize that hasn't actually happned yet). And I'm not secure in the fact that the CL-bashers have decided it's okay for Poser to die because there's this thing called "Daz Studio" coming down the pike that's supposed to pick up where P5 left off. I sincerely hope it does. But what do I do if it doesn't? I don't pose Vicky in temples or dress her up in skimpy bikinis. I use Poser for animation. Will "Daz Studio" do animation? No one has publicly said (yet) that it will. I'm not bashing Daz. I buy lots of their stuff and am a proud, card-carrying Platinum Club member. I just resent a perfectly useful program like Poser being destroyed PARTIALLY through immature behavior and irresponsible mob mentality. (I have a natural reflex to always defend the little guy against mobs). -jjsemp