but....what about vicki's vacant stare? i know that i am not the only one that this bothers. still, i see renders that have very nice textures, stuff, reflections, etc....and THOSE EYES....yet, i got accused of being a troll for bringing them up....and it was on a render where i honestly did really, really enjoy the reflections that were applied....my comment was actually deleted. sensitive is one thing. however, how can an "artist" be "sensitive" and think a vacant stare is anything but out of the box, ugly?