Hi Steve and Karen. I am really really sorry to hear this. I tried to ring Steve this morning and his number had been changed so I knew something must be up. I just have to say that people like Steve and Karen are very rare in the larger world of software corporations where it is basically impersonal and most friendships/partnerships are in the name of business and profit only. Steve was not like this, he gave CLabs an invaluable personal touch and that is simply not replaceable, CLabs will NOT BE THE SAME!! Many of the businesses related to Poser (websites etc...) suffer from this money orientated impersonalism, so the very fact that Steve and Karen were involved in CLabs and kept a real personal and genuine touch to all their dealings is nothing short of remarkable. I am very very sad to hear this!! Best Wishes Harvey Mann