Well its not good news that people are being laid off- the same thing happened to me using the excuse of 9/11 while the company I worked for raked in record profits for 4 straight consecutive quarters. But I digress... Poser, almost single handedly brought 3D modeling to the masses. In the very early days of Poser 1 and 2, before it became a mainstream hit, before Renderosity and DAZ, even before Zygote was involved, thre were very few modeling art sites, even fewer places to buy quality models online, and when you found them you could expect to pay vast sums for them. In fact, the Zygote human models that later became our beloved Posette and Dork were priced as single skin meshes in the HUNDREDS of dollars. So we can thank Poser for bringing this hobby down to the level where many could afford it. No matter what happens in the future, Poser has definitely made its mark in the art world. I wish CL, and everyone, good luck in these difficult economic times. Jim's idea of an enhanced P4 sounds GREAT.