It just donned on me what Donhakman was referring to (no pun intended). The ground!! Don, I mixed a dark and cracked nonrefclective material with chrome and then started sifting through the "bump maps?" until I had the effect that I wanted. I cannot stand it when I want a reflecting ground and end up with a gazillion stars being reflected on the ground. Something that I still have to work on in the learining department. Glad you liked it. If you want it email me, and I'll zip the material and send it to you so you can see what I did. Thanks, Akenaton