As everyone knows, there are many problems with p4/pp that should have been fixed in 5 but weren't. In fact, nothing was fixed except the library system (and even it still has its problems). I agree with both volfin and Allen9. But they have to at least fix 5. If they put those fixes in 4 and not 5, Poser 4 would be the better, more advanced program. Can't have that. Although, in many ways, P4/PP is better than 5 right now. When I bought p5, I thought I was getting a "brand new program, built from the ground up." With all the P4 bugs gone. That isn't what I got. I hope the new CL makes good on the old CL's promises.