I'm not ready to vilify DAZ just yet. Been far too pleased with them to do so. ;) I find it odd that they would cut the sale short based on Renderosity forum reaction to CL. That doesn't make sense to me, but I certainly don't claim to be privvy to their business decisions. Being on dialup, I'd waited because of the size of the downloads -- pretty much have to plan downloads of that size around days that I'm not working online (which is... like... rarely). Guess I'll drop them a note and see what's what. Thanks for the replies. Erik "Kep"