I will probably use them mostly with Michael and Stephanie and possibly with P4 folks...when I use them. DNA is planning an update for P5 folks as well as for animals, etc. The price is not bad. For Victoria II, I will most likely continue to use Blackhearted's Black Eyes. They seem to work with any V2 characterization and they are very, very nice. I have V3, but have not installed her. I could not resist getting the base model upgrade for under $7 awhile back, plus a nice reduction on morphs, mats, etc. So for now....she remains uninstalled until I get more competent in Poser use or upgrade my computer :) I understand V3 is a load!