tasquah - Ummm ... where's the Crossroads conversion? Inquiring minds need to know! firebirdz - I'm still waiting for the magazine with Amapi 5.15. I have XP so I may be SOL. I haven't found much in the way of trueSpace tutorials, but there are a few books out there on how to use tS. I haven't started the Lightwave tutorials yet from the magazine. (Well, actually, I started one of the tutorials on the CD, but I got really bored listening to the guy yak away without getting to the point.) I'd just go and play with both for a few weeks and see which one is easier to use. DAZ uses Lightwave, and it is one of the industry tools. Amapi and tS are lower end. I have Rhino, so that's probably what I'm going to use for clothing. (I have a shirt done, but the jp's aren't working for some reason. I may have to re-do part of the mesh.)