I could have a family member such as my sis open up a new bank account(or open up one in her name- get a log in here-she gives me the passwords logon and i am happily uploading away to my hearts content- and if it didnt sell that would be good too because all i would be after is the forum contact to see all the highly sectretive goings on ;) not actually trying to sell anything ;) shrug ;) Same with paypal...