Again we find ourselves across the table at odds with one another Tim... I particularly have a problem with your statement which said: "There have been members who would undermine the marketplace to advance their own goals." I most certainly would hope that you are not implying that Diane, Ironbear or myself are out to destroy, or in your words, undermine your store. In our times as Merchants here, we have provided insight when situations or changes were proposed. We'd done so honestly without any animosity or with intentions towards undermining the merchants or your MarketPlace. In fact, there have been numerous times where we've contacted you to inform you of individual who have placed fraudulent CC purchases in our stores, in order so that you can be on the look out for those individuals in yours. We've even brought to the table (in your merchant forum) our experience with our own online stores and have tried to help you avoid making some of the same mistakes we've made ourselves. As Merchants, we are entitled to the same treatment as any other merchant you sell for, regardless of our own endeavors elsewhere. We don't lock out vendors who are admins or mods for Renderosity in our own Vender Forums and we allow them to have the same voice as our other vendors. We do that, because it is the right thing to do and the Community benefits from that sort of involvement. It was stated once that at Renderosity the ART matters. When truly it isn't and shouldn't be the ART that matters, it should be these ARTISTS that matter. Sure, you want to prosper and grow this website and the Community that visits it... but damnit, how can that occur when members at this website aren't treated fairly or equally? This BS of US vs. THEM has got to end and Tim, your decision of "locking" certain people out, people that are helping to contribute money and product to this site, for it's growth, it's membership, it's survival only helps to increase and strengthen those rifts. Renderosity IS the FLAGSHIP of this Community and it really needs to start having a direction and a captain who can guide it through the rough waters and storms. For too long now, it has seemed to be lacking in that and drifting this way and that, where-ever the wind may blow it... take the helm, or give it to someone who can man that helm for you... because as it stands right now, you are helping to make the other sites appealing to the very people you want to service. Truthfully, Jack