You might try some of the software discount places, like Egghead.com. They sometimes sell clearance software. Or even e-bay, if you can trust them. There are places where you can get new, unused software for lower prices. Check the PC Arts magazines. They sometimes put older versions of programs on their CD. They might have Poser 3. If you have older versions, you should be able to get the P4 for the upgrade discount. Melanie