Jim's and Tashar's pictures have the 'eyes' reversed so you have to look THROUGH the picture to see it properly, ie. go UNcrosseyed :) Which I can JUST manage to spread my eyes far enuff apart to focus on. Then have a migrane for an hour. :) My renders were all done with main and aux cameras set up at 100mm Focal, the same xyz dolly, same xz orbit, and with the aux camera offset on the yOrbit by +5 deg from the main. Any less and the effect is lessened, any more and the amount of information 'lost' by going too far around the model makes it look... strange on the edges. ie. hidden elbows, shadows enlongating too much etc. Shrug. Soluble Hamster The one, the only, dissolvable rodent.