bikermouse: as to people seeing you, there's always the Mace Windu solution -- Mace Windu uses a blacklight lightsabre -- that way everyone else who has anything day-glo or white on lights up like a Christmas tree. May not be invisibility, but it does make you the same amount less visible than everyone else in a roundabout sort of way B^) Machineclaw: I dunno, just like making 'em, especially when I'm neeind something to do but son't want to think much. It's sort of my vesion of 3-D doodling, I guess, and people like the results, so why not? Besides, this time I thought it would be cool to make a toy one with toy blades. The 'real' blades were just stuck on to provide the option to use eit as a 'real' lightsabre. B^) I'll go ahead and give the machinegun a go if you can get me better a reference pic -- that's pretty small and fuzzy. LD: You mean these?