and a big wet kiss for Aldaron for reminding me about temp files! (Duh!) I had two temps files and the first one turned out to be my file complete with all the last changes I'd made. I guess it really did save, just not correctly and then fried the real file when I had to cancel out of the program. I've had some problems with Bryce and memory but mostly at home where I've got little memory. What I've learned to do is make my scene in sections then I'll bring the pieces to work and merge them. I've got lots of memory at work but like Stefano, I have to work on other things at the same time. I'd taken lunch and was trying to get this rendered to a bigger size when it all hit the fan. But, I'm saved!!!! Hurrah! :o) Now to render this and post it before something dreadful happens and I can't recover. Susan Oh, and I've found that it's even better to lie on the floor while flailing. Then I don't even risk falling out of bed! :oD