varp and foleypro, UPDATE: When I logged back on to my computer the first thing I noticed was a new desktop item, Z.bmp(the name of the simple br5 file I played with last night.)! So I deleted z.bmp and opened z.br5 by clicking on it and sure enough when I closed b5 again there was z.bmp again! so it seems that b5 generates a bmp file when you open b5 in this way: "bryce5 (directory path)z.bmp" where z.bmp is the name of the bmp file. I don't have b4, but later I can check this in b3d if you want. - TJ