I have to say that my need for the deer is moot now since I've worked around it. But, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm getting closer, so maybe it's just a matter now of practicing. :o) This is one of the examples I mentioned. It's absolutely wonderful and it's one of the things that started me wondering how the heck you accomplish this. It's in the free stuff, posted by boundless, and I've taken it apart and worried over it until I'm blue in the face. Good news also is one of the books I ordered came yesterday and it looks like this technique is talked about in it so I'll have that to worry over also. So, I'm off to work on this and other mysteries! :o) I really appreciate you all! Susan