brycetech: I don't have Bryce, I use Max. Thugh that tut isn't quite the same thing. It is slow to render because of all the trans maps, that's true. One of the tricks I used that you don't have (and that you don't get in PBryce) is that by using a manually created BUM I can do the nifty fake-refraction effect. The BUM I used had blush bottom edges to things. Because this is outside of the red-green gamut it pulls light from beyond the reflection range of the surface, simulating refraction. You can't do it with a greyscape bumpmap.