So, there's no way in poser 4 to do this, is the short answer. I tried your way, robert, and poser ignores it. Damn! Bloodsong, I already tried 'addToMenu 0'and poser happily adds the body part to the menu anyway. I mean, it's logical that if you tell poser what to do, it does the opposite, isn't it? Hidden just makes it non-visible in the doc window. 'but i wouldn't encourage sticking trash in your obj' Why not? No one's ever likely to look at the obj except me. EVERYONE looks at the material order. I rest my case. mac