Vue. The cooperation between Vue 4 and Poser 4 is just soooo sweet! And, Vue4 can do just about anything that you can do in Bryce 5. And Bryce 5 is more expensive and much harder to use. And I have to disagree with c1rcle (sorry ;o))...I think Vue is definitely MORE intuitive than Bryce. But, like everyone else said, download the demos and judge for yourself :o). Laurie